[VOIPSEC] VOIP for free??

[Vatsal Mehta]

Hi Diana,

I would respectfully disagree. If VoIP is to get to the masses, 911 or
similar emergency services are very critical.

It depends on VoIP becoming comparable to the PSTN or being a slightly less
comparable alternative for the adventurous.

The 911 service problem is the same with cell phones, and should be dealt
with in the same way as cell phones deal with it.

Best Regards,

Vatsal

 

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Diana Cionoiu [mailto:diana-liste at voip.null.ro] 
>Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 9:20 AM
>To: Smith, Donald
>Cc: Vatsal Mehta; Kartik Trivedi; voipsec at voipsa.org
>Subject: RE: [VOIPSEC] VOIP for free??
>
>Who cares about 911?
>
>Actualy most of the ip's in this world is very well known 
>where are located, so actualy you can use that to trace the 
>call, but no one actualy cares. And all this 911 thing is 
>false issue started by the pstn carriers to make  Vonage and 
>other VoIP provider a hard life until they can make their own 
>VoIP systems. Fortunetly this will be a closed subject soon.
>
>We don't have 911 in Europe, and we live quite well. 
>
>911 service can also be implemented without the need for 
>localisation, since most of the people actualy can say where 
>they are located.
>
>And another issue is that how can 911 helps you if you are on 
>a sky scraper?
>
>Diana Cionoiu
>
>
>> This makes 911 much harder which I consider a security implication.
>> If any of your security comes from origination on a trusted 
>network it 
>> invalidates those features.
>> 
>> 
>> donald.smith at qwest.com giac
>> 
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Voipsec-bounces at voipsa.org
>> > [mailto:Voipsec-bounces at voipsa.org] On Behalf Of Vatsal Mehta
>> > Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 3:03 PM
>> > To: 'Kartik Trivedi'; voipsec at voipsa.org
>> > Subject: RE: [VOIPSEC] VOIP for free??
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Kartik,
>> > 
>> > >Just heard this, need to verify it. So you have companies like 
>> > >vonage and etc selling you VoIP phone with a local 
>number. All you 
>> > >need is a internet broadband and a box then you got a US number. 
>> > >What is stopping someone ship this box to,say taiwan, and making 
>> > >int'l call paying local price($20 for unlimited call)?
>> > 
>> > That is exactly why VOIP is popular for travelers. So who 
>would stop 
>> > them - probably Taiwanese telecom operators, who lose revenue. The 
>> > location of phone can be detected by Vonage etc. through 
>IP Address, 
>> > and they can possibly charge more for "roaming".
>> > 
>> > Problems would be the quality of service. You cannot guarantee how 
>> > much end-to-end bandwidth you get by sitting in some hotel 
>in Taiwan 
>> > using your VOIP phone.
>> > 
>> > >is there any security implication on this?
>> > 
>> > The same security implications are applied to this as to any other 
>> > VOIP system. Except, if you are taking your company 
>distributed VOIP 
>> > phone or a Vonage phone; question would be who is supposed to 
>> > implement the security.
>> > 
>> > Best Regards,
>> > 
>> > Vatsal
>> > 
>> > ==============================================
>> > Vatsal Mehta
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>> >  
>> > 
>> > >-----Original Message-----
>> > >From: Voipsec-bounces at voipsa.org
>> > >[mailto:Voipsec-bounces at voipsa.org] On Behalf Of Kartik Trivedi
>> > >Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 7:58 AM
>> > >To: voipsec at voipsa.org
>> > >Subject: [VOIPSEC] VOIP for free??
>> > >
>> > >Guys,
>> > >
>> > >Just got this question from one of my friends...Any thoughts?
>> > >
>> > >Just heard this, need to verify it. So you have companies like 
>> > >vonage and etc selling you VoIP phone with a local 
>number. All you 
>> > >need is a internet broadband and a box then you got a US number. 
>> > >What is stopping someone ship this box to,say taiwan, and making 
>> > >int'l call paying local price($20 for unlimited call)? From my 
>> > >understanding, it is practically doable. Skype makes it free, but 
>> > >it doesn't give you a US phone number. So is there any security 
>> > >implication on this?
>> > >
>> > >Thanks in advance!!
>> > >
>> > >
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