[VOIPSEC] VOIP for free??

[Smith, Donald]

Many people care about 911 including the localization aspect.
I don't believe the pstn carriers created a "false issue re: 911" to
prevent vontage 
and other VoIP providers from entering the market. 
Your welcome to opinion and if you have any proof I am willing to listen
as would the US-FCC.

I grew up in a time where phones had no 911 or privacy. We had a party
line. 2 rings was our "line". 
Anyone on the circuit could pick up their phone and listen to our
conversation.
AFAIK there are no longer any phones systems that use the party line
concept. 
Privacy became important and market demand drove the partyline out as an
option.

That doesn't make privacy or 911 less important.

If you wish to sell service without 911 feel free to do so 
but realize you will be competing with companies supporting E911 of some
type. 
The end-users will vote with their checkbooks.


My opinions are mine but I'm willing to share:)
donald.smith at qwest.com giac 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diana Cionoiu [mailto:diana-liste at voip.null.ro] 
> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 10:20 AM
> To: Smith, Donald
> Cc: Vatsal Mehta; Kartik Trivedi; 
> Subject: RE: [VOIPSEC] VOIP for free??
> 
> 
> Who cares about 911?
> 
> Actualy most of the ip's in this world is very well known where are 
> located, so actualy you can use that to trace the call, but 
> no one actualy 
> cares. And all this 911 thing is false issue started by the 
> pstn carriers 
> to make  Vonage and other VoIP provider a hard life until 
> they can make 
> their own VoIP systems. Fortunetly this will be a closed subject soon.
> 
> We don't have 911 in Europe, and we live quite well. 
> 
> 911 service can also be implemented without the need for 
> localisation, since most of the people actualy can say where 
> they are located.
> 
> And another issue is that how can 911 helps you if you are on a sky 
> scraper?
> 
> Diana Cionoiu
> 
> 
> > This makes 911 much harder which I consider a security 
> implication. If 
> > any of your security comes from origination on a trusted network it 
> > invalidates those features.
> > 
> > 
> > donald.smith at qwest.com giac
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Voipsec-bounces at voipsa.org
> > > [mailto:Voipsec-bounces at voipsa.org] On Behalf Of Vatsal Mehta
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 3:03 PM
> > > To: 'Kartik Trivedi'; voipsec at voipsa.org
> > > Subject: RE: [VOIPSEC] VOIP for free??
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Kartik,
> > > 
> > > >Just heard this, need to verify it. So you have companies like 
> > > >vonage and etc selling you VoIP phone with a local 
> number. All you 
> > > >need is a internet broadband and a box then you got a US number. 
> > > >What is stopping someone ship this box to,say taiwan, and making 
> > > >int'l call paying local price($20 for unlimited call)?
> > > 
> > > That is exactly why VOIP is popular for travelers. So who
> > > would stop them - probably Taiwanese telecom operators, who 
> > > lose revenue. The location of phone can be detected by Vonage 
> > > etc. through IP Address, and they can possibly charge more 
> > > for "roaming". 
> > > 
> > > Problems would be the quality of service. You cannot
> > > guarantee how much end-to-end bandwidth you get by sitting in 
> > > some hotel in Taiwan using your VOIP phone.
> > > 
> > > >is there any security implication on this?
> > > 
> > > The same security implications are applied to this as to any
> > > other VOIP system. Except, if you are taking your company 
> > > distributed VOIP phone or a Vonage phone; question would be 
> > > who is supposed to implement the security.
> > > 
> > > Best Regards,
> > > 
> > > Vatsal
> > > 
> > > ==============================================
> > > Vatsal Mehta
> > > Systems Engineer
> > > SafeNet, Inc.
> > > 2001 Gateway Place, Suite #335W, San Jose, CA 95110.
> > > http://www.safenet-inc.com
> > > Direct: 408.452.1789
> > > Mobile: 408.829.2982
> > > Toll Free: 866.251.4268 x3
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: Voipsec-bounces at voipsa.org 
> > > >[mailto:Voipsec-bounces at voipsa.org] On Behalf Of Kartik Trivedi
> > > >Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 7:58 AM
> > > >To: voipsec at voipsa.org
> > > >Subject: [VOIPSEC] VOIP for free??
> > > >
> > > >Guys,
> > > >
> > > >Just got this question from one of my friends...Any thoughts?
> > > >
> > > >Just heard this, need to verify it. So you have companies like 
> > > >vonage and etc selling you VoIP phone with a local 
> number. All you 
> > > >need is a internet broadband and a box then you got a US number. 
> > > >What is stopping someone ship this box to,say taiwan, and making 
> > > >int'l call paying local price($20 for unlimited call)? From my 
> > > >understanding, it is practically doable. Skype makes it 
> free, but 
> > > >it doesn't give you a US phone number. So is there any security 
> > > >implication on this?
> > > >
> > > >Thanks in advance!!
> > > >
> > > >
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